Advice for David Mark

Posted: August 2, 2010 in David Mark
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Providing expertise is one thing, taking advice is another. David Mark don’t like to be corrected.

Garrett Smith said:

What was written was corrected as it was misleading.

David Mark replied:

In your own fantasy world I presume. In reality, your response demonstrated a stunning lack of comprehension.

Garrett Smith:

I see you’ve snipped what was written and replied flippantly. It reflects typical behavior of David Mark.

Alan Gutierrez to David Mark:

I’m afraid your acting the pedant and not making a sincere attempt at dialog. In my last message, I attempted to move away from argument, and toward inquiry, but your insistence on your own authority has brought us back to argument. Is it not equality clear that you have much to learn? Much to learn not only from me but from other members of the software communities in which you participate?

David Mark replied:

No. And I can’t help but ask, what communities would those be? If you are referring to projects like jQuery and Dojo, then much to learn you have. 🙂


I’d agree that you are kind of a creep. Be fair, a repetitive, self-righteous blow-hard. That won’t serve you well in this group. 😉

Alan Gutierrez replied:

Adding a smiley doesn’t change the fact that you have just insulted me. You have called me a creep. That is offensive and I take offense.

[…] Again, it is a causal grace that dominates the Internet, that we approach each other as equals. Asking a question of a newsgroup does not put a person in a position of being admonished. I am not inclined to accept admonishments from strangers.
[…] If the turnover of this newsgroup is that bad, you should really look at what’s gone off the tracks with the community. You’d hope that people would come and stay. If they are coming and probably, like me, standing their ground when they are condescended to, they are going to leave. It is a shame if that is the case.

Truly, if it is the same story that someone engages with you until you insult them, then don’t you feel that this pattern begs some self-observation?

Garrett Smith wrote:

(please don’t feed the trolls).

Alan Gutierrez ended the discussion:

I’m quite certain that we’re not going to resolve anything at this point. I will note that you owe me an apology for calling me a creep and a blow-hard. I never resorted to calling you names. I don’t know you well enough to accept insults even accompanied by emoticons, so you will have to address that if should we ever find that we have to work together. Otherwise, to ingratiate myself to other readers of this newsgroup, I will allow you to have the last word, allowing anything more that you have to say, admonishments, homework assignments, or insults to go un-addressed.

David Mark replied:

In other words, you wasted a ton of time (including some of mine) for no reason, other than perhaps laziness. Apology accepted. 🙂

Kenneth Tilton said to David Mark:

Sounds like you are a terrible communicator if all that is necessary. A good communicator meets their audience half-way.

This kind of advice is what David Mark wouldn’t listen to.

Kenneth Tilton said:

Stick to HTML, it’s a trivially small pond in which to tread water, you have half a prayer.

David Mark replied:

Why do you continually seek to give me advice?  That’s pretty laughable considering […]

Kenneth Tilton replied:



Dear fans

Share your advice for successful communication.

[1]: discussion at comp.lang.javascript
[2]: discussion at comp.lang.javascript

  1. Christine93 says:

    Amazing discussion style. This is new. More art than discussion.

  2. pope says: Word of the Day – spatchcock: to insert or interweave, esp. in a forced or incongruous manner.

  3. me says:

    In honor of David Mark, I propose this website somehow manage to cram every possible JavaScript library in the homepage.

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