Posts Tagged ‘jQuery’


Providing expertise is one thing, taking advice is another. David Mark don’t like to be corrected.

Garrett Smith said:

What was written was corrected as it was misleading.
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David Mark replied:

In your own fantasy world I presume. In reality, your response demonstrated a stunning lack of comprehension.
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Garrett Smith:

I see you’ve snipped what was written and replied flippantly. It reflects typical behavior of David Mark.
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Alan Gutierrez to David Mark:

I’m afraid your acting the pedant and not making a sincere attempt at dialog. In my last message, I attempted to move away from argument, and toward inquiry, but your insistence on your own authority has brought us back to argument. Is it not equality clear that you have much to learn? Much to learn not only from me but from other members of the software communities in which you participate?
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David Mark replied:

No. And I can’t help but ask, what communities would those be? If you are referring to projects like jQuery and Dojo, then much to learn you have. 🙂

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I’d agree that you are kind of a creep. Be fair, a repetitive, self-righteous blow-hard. That won’t serve you well in this group. 😉
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Alan Gutierrez replied:

Adding a smiley doesn’t change the fact that you have just insulted me. You have called me a creep. That is offensive and I take offense.

[…] Again, it is a causal grace that dominates the Internet, that we approach each other as equals. Asking a question of a newsgroup does not put a person in a position of being admonished. I am not inclined to accept admonishments from strangers.
[…] If the turnover of this newsgroup is that bad, you should really look at what’s gone off the tracks with the community. You’d hope that people would come and stay. If they are coming and probably, like me, standing their ground when they are condescended to, they are going to leave. It is a shame if that is the case.

Truly, if it is the same story that someone engages with you until you insult them, then don’t you feel that this pattern begs some self-observation?
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Garrett Smith wrote:

(please don’t feed the trolls).
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Alan Gutierrez ended the discussion:

I’m quite certain that we’re not going to resolve anything at this point. I will note that you owe me an apology for calling me a creep and a blow-hard. I never resorted to calling you names. I don’t know you well enough to accept insults even accompanied by emoticons, so you will have to address that if should we ever find that we have to work together. Otherwise, to ingratiate myself to other readers of this newsgroup, I will allow you to have the last word, allowing anything more that you have to say, admonishments, homework assignments, or insults to go un-addressed.
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David Mark replied:

In other words, you wasted a ton of time (including some of mine) for no reason, other than perhaps laziness. Apology accepted. 🙂
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Kenneth Tilton said to David Mark:

Sounds like you are a terrible communicator if all that is necessary. A good communicator meets their audience half-way.
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This kind of advice is what David Mark wouldn’t listen to.

Kenneth Tilton said:

Stick to HTML, it’s a trivially small pond in which to tread water, you have half a prayer.
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David Mark replied:

Why do you continually seek to give me advice?  That’s pretty laughable considering […]
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Kenneth Tilton replied:

Goodnight,

Kenny.
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Dear fans

Share your advice for successful communication.

[1]: discussion at comp.lang.javascript
[2]: discussion at comp.lang.javascript


David Mark is working on a book about JavaScript. He said:

I have been working on a book on-again and off-again for years. The trouble is that there is not a lot of motivation as I can make a lot more money writing code than writing about code.

I suppose if some savvy publisher advanced me, oh, 50K or so, I’d get right on it. As it is, the one I talked to was in a completely different neighborhood (one that I prefer to avoid, at least after dark).

William Wallace wrote:
It seems that there are no good books.

You are learning fast.  But the publishers see “good books” as books that will sell the most copies. The representatives I dealt with were of the opinion that “everyone” is really excited about “these libraries” (e.g. jQuery). They sent me an outline of one to look at (and review) and I asked them if it was going to be a children’s book and indicated that the only sort of jQuery book I would consider writing would be of the contrarian view. I think that and my high asking price turned them off, but I do still hear from them from time to time. Maybe some day they will realize that somebody has to take a chance and publish something fresh. I mean, in five or ten years, who is going to care about jQuery puff pieces?
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What we can learn from David Mark’s profile at Linked In:

Until January 2010, David Mark was employed at SitePen, Inc. for a short time (just 5 months). After that he was self-employed with cinsoft.net. Since June 2010 he is registered as Consultant at Synergy Consulting Group, Inc., a recruting agency.

So if David Mark would get a chance to write a book, this would be the perfect time. And indeed, David Mark wrote:

I happened to hear from a representative at my prospective publisher today. I’m trying to work out a deal that will benefit everyone. Can’t do it for the Karma alone though.
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But writing a book is a lot of work. Not everyone is able to finish a book project. I’m slightly concerned about David Mark’s statement:

I’ve got enough raw material for a whole series of books,
but not enough time to organize it.
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Dear fans

How could we help David Mark?
Do you know some of his own quotations, he could use for his book?
Send in your citation and a link to the source.

[1]: comment at comp.lang.javascript


David Mark argues for some minor changes in the code base of some JavaScript libraries. It seems, that David is absolutely convinced about his thoughts and everyone else is simply incompetent in his eyes.

David Mark:

The bottom line for those choosing a framework to alleviate the rigors of cross-browser scripting is that the authors of this thing do not understand the language they are using and apparently have a hard time grasping very basic logic. The idea that such authors would be capable of writing a “full-fledged” application framework in anything but an incompetent manner is beyond ludicrous and abdicating responsibility to such authors can only be considered career suicide.
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Other developers don’t care about these minor changes and especially what David Mark says. It’s clear for everyone that it has something to do with the rude insults comments, David Mark let us known. On the other side David Mark is asking for love:

David Mark:

Though it would be nice to be liked.
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“digitalspaghetti” said:

I had never even heard of David Mark before today.

I’m a long time jQuery user myself and accept that, like any other software, it has bugs – but I don’t troll the community like he does.

I was googling to look at JS GUI libraries and this article came up for Dojo, and after reading his bilge on here I will certainly NOT be using or even considering his library even if it is better or has less bugs, purely because of his attitude (and I’m @tanepiper on twitter David and I’ve said the same thing to you there).
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David Mark:

@digitalspaghetti

I had never even heard of David Mark before today.

Odd.

I’m a long time jQuery user myself…

…and first time caller?

Yes, jQuery has bugs galore. But what community am I supposed to be “trolling”? You sure won’t find me in any jQuery-related forums.
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“ajaxery” supplemented:

If I can be certain about anything, it’s that I’ll never use “My Library” or anything else that David Mark develops. Sorry dude, I don’t know you and I don’t care how good you are, in actuality or in your own mind. I won’t support someone with your attitude coming here just to take a crap on someone else’s work. If you don’t like it, ignore it. Very simple.
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“Sandr” said:

Unfortunately there are tons of discussions like this with bad comments and hidden insults from your side, David. If you would be able to discuss technical points without your “rants”, nobody would say a word. But look at your discussion style in reality, instead. One could say, the name “David Mark” stands for insults and rants.

That disqualifies you.
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Ouch, reputation is important. Why else should David Mark spend all his time dogged by controversy?

David Mark:

[Everybody loves me…] The typical exceptions are groups of open source developers with ego and/or confidence issues. They don’t seem to respond to my brand of motivation (much to their detriment as evidenced here).
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Indeed, David Mark is different. He is not the same as everyone else.

“SlexAxton” said:

I heard that one time, David Mark created a widget so backwards compatible that you could use it before the internet existed. AND I heard he did it without any browser sniffs, or internet sniffs
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Dear fans

What do you think can we do for David?
Send in your suggestions.

[1]: comment at http://ajaxian.com/archives/dojo-1-5-is-out-and-its-feature-packed